Thursday, May 31, 2012

DOES GOD EXIST ? A DISCUSSION BETWEEN TWO FRIENDS

If in this world there is any much confusion about anything then it is about the existence of God.The confusion is whether the God exists or not ? Those who believe in the existence of God are called THIESTS and those who do not are ATHIESTS.As I think no person in this world hasmet or seen The God.If someone says so it maybe his personal concept.But it cannot be an universal fact.Universal fact is the fact accepted by the universe, such as the fact that the sun rises in the east,that the earth rotates around the Sun etc.As nobody has seen the God so on the basis of imagination the God is found in hundreds of forms viz . on the stone walls,statues,paper, in temples ,churches ,homes and in wedding cards etc . Likewise there are several concepts about the God.
There are Two friends.OneShriPoojan Ram and another Shri Gyan Singh.Shri Poojan Ramnis a very  religious and is Govt. servant in UP State RTO Office.His morning schedule of works consists of continuous two hours worship of about 20 to25 Gods  @10mts per God.In the evening also he spares time of about one hour for worship. For him the worship is work and not the work as worship.He has no hesitation for reaching office late by one or two hours and leaving office early by one or two hours .He always goes with his family to visit famous temples  and other religious places of India whenever he gets any opportunity. His friend ShriGyansingh lives nearby his house .He is a man of simple living and high thinking. Though on the point of RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY his views  are different yet they are very good friends.
On the contrary Shri Gyan Singh is a worker in a private company where he has to work for 8 hours continuously and he has to give output of his work as per target fixed for .If he  has to make 100 pieces of any machine’s part he has tomake otherwise proportionate amount is recovered from his monthly  wages so he is always alert about duty and his output .However he remembers the Almighty power only for two or three minutes in the morning and in the evening because for him  his work is worship and not the worship as work .But he never fails to remember the Supreme power which is within  the heart of everyone. But he is punctual in it whether he is at home or outside. He is of the opinion that there is a power which is omnipresent and omnipotent.This world and the space all things are working automatically on the lines of some rules of nature.None  has power to interfere in these rules. Uselessly we have made our rules to understand it ,to change its rules by way of  WRITING PROCEDURES OF VARIOUS KARMKAND ,VARIOUS WORSHIPS OF VARIOUS GODS CREATED BY US .WE HAVE  MADE MANY BOOKS SAYING THAT THESE BOOKS CONTAIN THE SPEECHES AND TEACHINGS OF GODS.The peoples are  going on and going on the path without thinking that what is correct and what is wrong in these books and SAYINGS IN THESE BOOKS .MANY OF US REPENT A LOT IN THE LAST BUT BY THAT TIME IT IS TOO LATE TO  AMEND THE POSITION. He has no much time for worship ,temples and pilgrimage therefore he  prays as noted below:
OH SUPREME POWER, I VOW TO THEE.  GIVE ME GUIDANCE FOR PROPER COURSE OF LIFE,
OH SUPREME POWER I AM YOUR SERVANT .PLEASE GIVE ME POWER WHICH MAY LEAD TO ME FOR DOING GOOD WORKS FOR THOSE WHO ARE NEEDY AND IN TROUBLE.I MAY GO ON THE PATH OF HONESTY AND SINCERITY AND PLEASE GIVE ME KNOWLEDGE SO THAT  I MAY AVOID THE PATH OF BAD DEEDS SOTHAT I MAY DIE  WITH SMILING FACE.WHENEVER I MAY COME ACROSS THE TYRANNY OF MY 0PP0NANT PLEASE HELP ME AT THAT TIME  .I  MAY NOT THINK OF TAKING  REVENGE EVEN IF SOMEBODY TEATS ME ILL  .I MAY ALWAYS THINK OF OTHER’S WELFARE.
On one Sunday there was a function of full night worship and SANT SAMAGAM in a nearby temple.Shri Poojan Ram told his friend Shri Gyan Singh to  accompany  him  in  the SANT SAMAGAM SAYING THAT A VERY LEARNED  SAINT WILL GIVE  PRAVACHANS.We will go  in the evening .But  his friend was not interested in these  things and he was having some domestic works also so he  showed  his helplessness.Shri Poojan Ram - said YAAR KABHI TO DHARM AUR SANTSAMAGAM KE LIYE SAMAY NIKALA KARO. On the insistence his friend said that there is a lot of time for evening .We may discuss in the home  on this topic and  very important aspects of RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY AND WHAT  WE  WILL  GAIN THERE.  I will join you after  doing some domestic works within an hour.OK said Shri Poojan Ram.
Shri Gyan Singh came. They sat and discussed. Shri Gyan singh started and said that my dear friend you should  know that all over the world, The word RELIGION has been misinterpreted very much while it is very easy to understand as to WHAT RELIGION IS? Religion is not a very difficult thing to understand . We all know the main things of RELIGION but donot want to follow in real sense in our life .Main things or elements of RELIGION are:
1 - SPEAK TRUITH  2 - HELP THE NEEDY .  DONOT HURT ANY BODY BY YOUR TOUNGUE AND BE NONVIOLENT 3 - ALWAYS FEEL SUBORDINATION OF THE SUPREME POWER SO THAT YOU MAY NOT  BECOME  A DICTATOR 4 -    INSTED OF WORSHIPPING STONEGODS WORSHIP YOUR PARENTS  5 - DON’T  FALL UNDER GREED , ATTRACTION/ATTACHMENT ,PROUD ,LUST AND ANGER.
Tell me do you follow these things in your life ? Itoo  am unable  to follow these things .If we can not follow these basic preachings  of saints then what more the learned saint will tell and what we will get there?  .Do’nt you know that  in our locality  some people collect CHANDA FOR FULL NIGHT WORSHIP. Many give it unwillingly ,then arrange light,loudspeakers and tent and carpets and cook  FOOD AND PRASAD. And full volume music and voices come around all the localities .We are unable to see whether we could make the Gods happy  or not but  we can see it  certainly that the student preparing for their exams. and the sick persons are disturbed very much with the vice of very high volume. For what is all this? For the worship of the God ? No. Only for the fame and name of some persons of the locality. Some amount is misused also by some persons. Some persons make it a point of prestige and  they try to collect the double of the amount ofCHANDA/DONATION  for organizing more and more splendid programme for their name and fame . Gyaan Singh said  that my dear friend please stop for a moment and think that a huge time which you spend  in the worship cut it and do worship in few minutes and the save time you may give for looking your children for their study or  for the  help of some others who are  needy. Another thing which is also very important to be considered is that WHETHER THE GOD WHOM YOU WORSHIP REALLY EXISTS OR NOT ? IF YES WHERE IS THAT ? IN WHICH FORM IS THAT ? IF HE EXISTS WHY MILLIONS OF 
PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.A SINGLE BREADWINNER DIES LEAVING DEPENDENTS IN DIFFICULTIES, PARENTS LOOSE THEIR EYE’S STAR WHICH  GOD HAD GIVEN,MANY PERSON ARE PRAYING FOR DEATH IN THEIR BED SINCE  EVEN MORE THAN 30 YEARS  THEY  ARE LYING IN THE BED WITHOUT ANY LIFE  BECAUSE NEITHER  DEATH COMES NOR THEY CAN  WALK OR TALK ,MANY WOMEN TURNED WIDOW WITHIN  A MONTH OR YEAR OF THEIR MARRIAGE. There are thousands of questions. If He exists  why he hides himself. MANY DICTATORS OF THE COUNTRIES HAVE SLAUTERED  THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR NO FAULT.IF HE EXISTS DOES HE WAIT FOR THE SLAUGHTER OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ? CAN HE NOT PUNISH THE DICTATORS AT THE START OF  THEIR TYRRANIES. In Many cases people go to see God in Hilly areas such as Badrinath ,Kedarnath  and die in the way.Why so ? They had  gone with pious intention ? Why The God does not come to save them ? That is why it is a frequently asked question whether God exists or not ?
After listening  such arguments from his friend his curiosity awakened and therefore he put some questions before Gyaan singh
Poojan Ram - Don’t you believe that nothing can happen without the will of The God.Even a leaf cannot fall from the tree on this earth. He made the world. How can you say that the God does not exist? Why don’t you believe in GOD ?
Gyaan Singh - Yes. I do not believe in the existence of  GOD as you believe  BECAUSE  THE GOD IS SIMPLY AN  IMAGINATION AND IN THIS AGE OF SCIENCE IT IS QUITE FOOLISHNESS TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD ONLY ON THE BASIS OF IMAGINATIVE GOD. Yes for the sake of creating the  selfconfidence to overcome from   fear created by our misbelief  the imagination  can be  done. I do not know whether  all the  things happen in this world  according to HIS  WILL. HOWEVER THIS I KNOW THAT  the real cause and process of creation of this earth and other planet is not  known to anybody as nobody saw it however some scientists made some hypothesis on the basis of their imagination. Some accepted this theory as near to the possibility  and some accepted other but  widely the most accepted theory is of BIG Bang . WHICH SAYS THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED FROM NOTHING  .However the study and researches are on the way to know  more facts/real facts  and causes in this regard  new concepts are coming . But one thing is definitely correct that this BRAHMAAND,THIS  SUN , EARTH ,MOON ,OTHER  PLANNETS, HUGE STARS ETC  ARE THE PRODUCT OF THE NATURE TO WHICH WE MAY CALL THE GOD OR  ANYOTHER NAME.The  real cause may be known after the research of hundreds of years but one thing is acceptable to all that  in the utmost beginning when there was no human on the earth there was only NATURE  Whenever and by any reason and process the animal kingdom got their existence they were living in the forests and the  peoples were having very limited necessities,  they were having fear of wild animals so started  worship  of the God of wild animals  TO SAVE THEM FROM FEAR. But they were not having fear of any theft or loss of anything so they were happy to much extent ,But gradually  as they became civilized they started to  feel   many unnecessary necessities and accordingly started collecting and hording many precious things.These things gave them pleasure and happiness.Now they started fearing about the theft and or loss of their luxuries.They wanted to be LAKHPATI AND SOME PEOPLE WANTED TO BE  CRORPATIWITHOUT  DOING ANY EXTRALABOUR AND PAYING ANY EXTRA  TIME. Therefore people created many Gods like GOD OF WEALTH LAXMIJI,GOD OF KNOWLEDGE SARASWATIJI ,GOD OF RAIN INDRADEOJI,GOD OF ALLGODS  MAHADEOJI , THE GOD OF TOTAL WELFARE  SHRI GANESHJI etc..   Seeing this  attitude of laziness and greediness among the people many people becamehypocratic saints and TRIKALDARSHI BABA TO GAIN HIGH AMOUNT OF MONEY IN LIEU OF FALSE ASSURANCE TO SATISFY THE  GREAT AMBITIONS OF BUSINESSMEN, LEADERS –(MLAs AND  MPs) etc. In this  run some saints have declared themselves as GOD (while they and we people forget that there is no existence of God and if it is so NO MORTAL ie NO PERSON CAN BE  GOD ie IMMORTAL).The registration fee of these  SAINTS is more than hundred times of fee charged by doctors as consultation fee. Many politicians have their own GURU and they vowto  them and touch their feet simply because last time orsome time  in the past this GURU had  assured his victory in the election and by chance  he  won the election.
Thus we see that many people have gained high position/chair    by hook or by crook but do not want to come down i.e. out of chair So all these people have FEAR AND  THEREFORE THEY worship the Gods and  SO CALLED GODS  created by  them. If we  have  such insight power in us to live life of  SIMPLE LIVING AND HIGH THINKINGWE WILL HAVE  VERY FEW NECESSITIES AND WE WILL HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE.IF WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WHATSOEVER IS TO BE HAPPENED IT WILL HAPPEN/IT MUST HAPPEN  AND NO BODY HAS POWER TO MOULD OR CHANGE OR  ALTER THAT EVEN WORSHIP OR  ASTROLOGIST.WESEETHAT  SOMETIMES THE DAUGHTER OF A PANDIT  BECOMES WIDOW WITHIN  NO TIME OF HER MARRIAGE,WHY SO?  DID THAT PANDIT LEAVE ANY STONE UNTURNED IN SEEING THE KUNDALY/TALLYING THE STARS  OF HIS DAUGHTER AND SON- IN -LAW? CERTAINLY NOT .THEN WHY SO ?SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS TO BE HAPPENED. The only thing we can do is that we must be ready to face the bad time  which may come at any time and thereforeADULT MARRIAGE     was always recommended AGAINST CHILD MARRIAGE.
There are Gods because THE MINISTER FEARS FOR HIS CHAIR , THE KING FEARS  FOR HIS KINGDOM, PUJARI OF A TEMPLE FEARS FOR  THE PRECIOUS  STATUTES AND GOLDS OFHIS TEMPLE,PARENTS FEAR FOR ANY UNTIMELY DEATH OF THEIR CHILD/CHILDREN, WIFE FEARS FOR HER HUSBAND’S DEATH OR HIS DIVERSION TOWARDS ANY OTHER WOMAN ,HUSBAND FEARS FOR HIS WIFE  ‘S DEATH OR HER DIVERSION TOWARDS ANY OTHER MAN, THE DACOIT FEARS FOR THE POLICE  AND SO ON.
Just see that every0neis fearing  and thus everyone has made some God for destroying  the fear  and THUS THE ORIGIN OF GODS ,RELIGIONS AND  KARMKANDS took place.It was  a security cover like LIC INSURANCE. Some   people  wrote   their views in their books  which were named  as religious books .Even then the undesirable incidents and accidents occur. Nepolian rightly said that GOD HAS NOT MADE MAN  INSTEAD MAN MADE THE GOD.
Poojan Ram - You have given a long lecture on a little question .If some people have adverse thinking  about God , will the existence of God disappear? What makes it difference. I am not convinced up till now .Have you any concrete facts?
Gyaan Singh - There is one Mr Chhabra having good understanding on these  matters. He has given his views which seem to me  very near to the truth. He wrote  that  I think that there is no one who would have ever  seen  or met God in living form i.e. with  his body. If there is anybody can he produce any evidence or proof? The truth will remain always truth. WE CAN ONLY PRESUME OR IMAGINE GOD BUT CANNOT KNOW GOD BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. FOR THE SAKE OF EASINESS WE  SAY THERE IS GOD   BUT IT CAN NEVER BE IN  SUCH FORM AS WE HAVE IMAGINED i.e. IN THE SHAPE OF MANY HEADS ,IN THE SHAPE OF ELEPHANT MOUTH. WE HAVE PERSONIFIED  HIM.  .Had there been God his  form or shape should have been same everywhere in the temple or in the calendars or in the description in the holy books. Actually what we have not seen cannot be accepted while we all see the NATURE  i.e. THE  AIR ,THE SUNLIGHT,WATER, SKY, RIVERS.PLANTS AND TREES. THESE ELEMENTS OF NATURE ARE DOMINATED BY A SUPREME POWER WHICH HAS NO SHAPE SIZE OR BODILY EXISTANCE.BUT IT IS . WE MAY TRY TO SEE GOD  IN THE VARIOUS FORMS OF THE NATURE .IT WILL BE VERY PLEASANT TO SEE THE GOD IN THE SUNRISE ,SUNSET,CHIRPRING OF BIRDS, MUSIC OF THE CUKKOOS .GAME OF THE FAWN AND  AIR CONTAINING FRAGRANCE OF THE FLOWERS etc.WE SHOULD FEEL THAT BY SEEING THE VARIOUS  FORMS OF NATURE WE ARE SEEING THE GOD.  We offer  many things to the Gods for giving the requested things .THUS WE HAVE ARRANGED BARTER SYSTEM WITH THE GOD. HAS THE NATURE  DEMANDED ANY THING  SO FAR ? . IT ALWAYS GIVES. TREES GIVE FRUITS ,THE PLANTS GIVE MEDICINES TO US ,WATER AND AIR  GIVE  LIFE , THE GOD  is not as we have presented him in various books e.g. as a teacher of Arjun in Kurukshetra ,as a Judge giving punishment  to  the culprits and  rewards to the good people, asexaminer taking test of his wifeSita two times for the chastity of her character, as a God having half body of male and half of female,etc.
My dear the God  can never be in the form  having hands ,mouth, feet  etc. but He is a COSMIC FORCE.IT IS A SUPREME POWER  WHICH HAS ITS PRESENCE IN  VARIOUS FORMS AS ALREADY TOLD.
Poojan Ram - You are  saying in such a way that you are the only person having FULL KNOWLEDGE OF ALL VEDAS AND PURANS. But all these books say that the God exist. Is not it so?
Gyan Singh - Yes I have no full knowledge as I have already said in the very beginning .Did I say that I am so? But is there any person who may say that he has full knowledge of all things all subjects ? My simple intention is that there is a Supreme force that is omnipresent and omnipotent which   works on its own natural laws. You may say it God.
Poojan ram - To whom you say a Supreme force to that  I say God. What  makes it objectionable? You are making simple thing very complicated. Are all of us  fool who believe  and have faith in HIM ?
Gyan Singh - No my friend .Not at all.  Here the question is that why should we call  NATURE OR NATURAL FORCE  AND WHY NOT GOD?. Please think.We have two options.
First is of GOD/ISHWAR .Weworship him, offer PRASAD to set his mood good  ,change his dress(because he is in human form)If he is angry so  we do  all that which is written in books .If you did not   take and eat his PRASAD he may be angry again i.e. you have to  see His temperament  at all time. I think that in comparison to any other country of the world our country is  having more THIESTS I.E. WORSHIPPER AND BELIEVER OF god EVEN THEN OUR COUNTRY  IS VERY BACKWARD IN RESPECT OF MANY STANDARDS OF PROGRESS. Many people go to temple and other places of worship  TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE THIESTS. IF IN REAL SENSE WE MAY HAVE OUR FAITH IN MANKIND THEN IT WILL NOT BE DIFFICULT TO CHANGE OUR SUPERSTITIOUS SOCIETY INTO LOGICAL AND PROGRESSIVE SOCIETY.
Second is very simple .Go in the  lap of NATURE  AND RELISE   IT  IN  WITHOUT ANY FORM AND WHIOUT ANY SHAPE WITHOUT GIVING ANY NAME TO IT  in full extreme in the colourful and fragrant environment which is open around you. This  forceis  not in the form of a teacher but  as  an unseen force which always gives you the guidance  for proper course of your life. Did you ever think as to why people in western countries always go in their weekend holidays to any sea ,beach, sunlight ,rocks and mountains ,SUNRISE ,SUNSET AT SEA  ? Because there they get happiness and pleasure without any worship ,KARM KAND or offerings as PRASAD .Not only it gives pleasure but also an alert in theform of TSUNAMI, FLOOD AND DROUGHT etc. THAT BEWARE OF YOUR ANTI NATURE ACTIVITIES LIKEDEFORESTATION ,WIDE URBUNISATION ,EXTREME MINING AND UNNECESSARY WASTAGE OF WATER etc. BUT WE HAVE TURNED OUR   DEAF EARS. We in the pleasures of the material world we have forgotten all thesewarnings  and we have made more than hundred storied buildings, we have left no  land  for open areas so  we and our children do not know  the coming of morning and evening, the twittering of the birds .This sad position was descrived by William Wordsworth and  W.H.Davis as noted below
THIS WORLD IS TOO MUCH WITH US, IN GETTING AND SPENDING WE HAVE WASTED OUR POWER
WHAT IS THIS LIFE IT HAS BECOME FULL OF CARES WE HAVE NO TIME TO STAND AND SEE NATURE
Many of us go to the temple,mosque,church andgurudwara in search of God while we need not to go anywhere to worship the NATURE.Whenever you are at any place in the world just go on green grass, open sky ,sunrise sunset,breathing  fragrant air and or twittering of the birds , sit down and forget yourself for some time. Ruskin Bond is afamous writer who told that GOD IS IN NATURE, IF IT BECOMES TOO PRESSURE ON  US  AND THE WORLD IS TOO MUCH WITH US,A WALK IN THE WOODS HELP US .I BELIEVE THAT BEING CLOSE TO NATURE, IS A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE.
My dear I  say that LET  OUR  LANGUAGE OF “I” ,EGO,PROUD etc. MUST BE MELTED DOWN LIKE ICE IN HOT PLACE  BECAUSE THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL TROUBLES IS THIS SENSE OF EGO. There is a saying  THAT THE GOD COMES ONLY WHEN YOU ( YOUR SENSE OF  EGO) ARE  NOT THERE AS  THE SOLID VISUAL BODY IS AN ILLUSION THAT STOPS THE SEEKERFROM EXPERING THE   SUPREME POWER.
Poojan Ram -  You have presented a good lecture. Really I was not taking you as a good commentator in respect of RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY.  But I think that you are a man of the type who , if has made up his mind that God does not exist then you are not ready to listen any body’s anything  AND YOU WILL TAKE REST ONLY AFTER YOU WILL PROVE THAT THE GODDOES NOT EXIST.
Gyan Singh - I am not forcing to believe on what I  say but stop running and think seriously. Do you not know SAINT KABIR Who was against all these KARM KANDS ,STONE WORSHIP.WEARING YELLOW CLOTHS ,MAKING HEAD BALD AND MOVING MALA TO ATTRACT AND INFLUENCE GOD IN ONE’S FAVOUR. How simple he was ? He was not having any ego. He was very simple in life so he was very near to the Supreme power. So please remember that IT IS VERY SIMPLE TO BE HAPPY BUT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO BE SIMPLE. DO NOT HAVE  ANY EXPECTATION FROM ANYBODY .IN SIMPLICITY YOU WILL BE NEAR TO THESUPREME POWER AND YOU WILL SEE THAT ALL THE PROBLEMS OF THE LIFE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SOLVED AUTOMATICALLY.
Poojan Ram - If in this world if the Supreme power is only NATURE then  can you  tell me if the GOD does not exist then how the  conception of GOD came into existence ?
Gyan Singh - YES. I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN YOU ITS ANSWER IN THE BEGINNING. The feeling of fear andgreed  brought the conception of GOD. You know without fear nobody loves anybody. This is fear  in wife for husband ,in children for parents , in student for teacher, in worshipper for his God. Due to fear the God was invented. The wife worship her husband so that he may not be angryIT IS SAID THAT  PATI PARMESWAR HOTAHAI. The children worship their parents ( always obey ) so that parents may not be angry and beat them.IT IS SAID MATAPITA BHAGWAN HOTE HAIN. In temple or church people worship different kinds of Gods so that THEY MAY give  the desired things and they may not be  angry. IT IS SAID THAT BHAY  BIN HOHI NA PRITI.  If  you are unable to understand it,I am sorry that I cannot    clear it more. However you want to know any  other thing more?
Poojan ram - I think you have become angry.  Do you  not know that there are many BABAS ,GURUS, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS WHO/WHICH SAY THAT THEY CAN SHOW THE GOD TO ANY PERSON WITHIN FEW DAYS AND THESE GURUS AND INSTITUTIONS HAVE CRORES OF DISCIPLES NOT ONLY IN INDIA BUT ALSO  ALL OVER THE WORLD. If there is no God  why is it so ? All this is quite baseless.
Gyan Singh - I have already stated that I am not a learned person but  it is not necessary to be  very learned to discuss on   some  things. This is very simple thing which you have asked. Try to understandWHAT  ShriChhabra wrote in his book  that between THE GOD  AND US we have brought so many MEDIATORS ( WHETHER MAN OR WOMAN )  LIKE PANDA,PUJARI,PADRI, GURU, RELIGIOUS TEACHER etc. AND WE HAVE CREATED SUCH BLIND BELIEFS THAT WHATSOEVER THESE PERSONS ARE SAYING  ONLY THAT IS CORRECT. Their hypnotism have made us blind that we see only which they want to show and we believeonly what they want to say to us. IN THEIR MAGIC WORDS AND IN THEIR MAGIC WORLD WE HAVE LOST SO MUCH THAT THE SUPREME POWER WHICH YOU CALL GOD HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN BY US. WE HAVE CONSIDERED SOME  ABOVE SAID  MEDIATORS (WHETHER MAN OR WOMAN )  AS THE  GOD OR THE PART OF GOD AND THAT THE GOD CAN BE SEEN  ONLY THROUGH THESE MEDIATORS.
My dear friend do you know any person ( man or woman ) who has seen the God .If so please get me there and I would like to meet him/her. I  AGAIN SAY THAT IF YOU GO IN THE LAP OF NATURE  YOU NEED NO MEDIATOR AND YOU WILL CERTAINLY  FEEL THE PRESENCE OF ALMIGHTY POWER OR GOD IF YOU ARE EGOLESS  AND GREEDLESS . We imagined  God /GODS in different forms and shapes but we are not correct in treating   some men/women AS GOD , IN MY OPINION ANY PERSON CAN BE HIGHLY QUALIFIED, GREAT BY HIS ACTS AND DEEDS,PIOUS BY HIS/HER  THOUGHTS ,HE/SHE CAN SHOW MAGIC/MIRACLE BY  TACTS OR HYPNOTISM BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE/SHE  CAN  BECOME THE GOD OR HAS   BECOME THE  GOD.
My dear friend try to  understand   that  THE MAGICIAN CAN NEVER BE THE GOD AND THE GOD CAN NEVER BE THE MAGICIAN .HAD THE MAGICIAN BEEN THE GOD WHY HE WOULD HAVE BEEN EARNING HIS BREAD   BY WANDERING HERE AND THERE.HE COULD HAVE GOT  IT  AT HIS HOME .HAD THE GOD BEEN MAGICIAN HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN LOCKED  IN THE IRON DOORS OF THE TEMPLE SEEKING THE JUDGEMENT OF THE COURT/HIGHCOURT/SUPREMECOURT. Please see our RAMLALA  is seeking the courts orders . Why RAMMANDIR /BABRI MASJID KAND TOOK THE LIFE OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT BUT ABATTED PERSONS? WHAT IS THE NECESSITY OF SUCH A HUGE  FORCE FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR GODS WHICH IS GIVEN AT THE COST OF RECOVERY OF TAXES BY GOVT. FROM US ?
Do you see TV ?
Poojan Ram -    yes I do see daily specially news channels.
Gyan singh - You would have seen and heard NIRMAL BABA who throws KRIPA OF BHAGWAN
Only when some one gets entry by depositing Rs2000/ in BABA’S BANK ACCOUNT .He has many crores of Rupees in his Account .His technique is also very  special e.g. keep cold drinks in your fridge if not keeping so far,offer biscuits to the dogs, keep RUDRAKSH AND SHIV IDOL OUT OF HOME etc. If he has source of GOD KRIPA WHY  ALL THIS RECOVERY OF CRORES OF RUPEES FROM THEM ? WHY NOT FREE ? MANY PEOPLE ARE DOING SERVICE OF THE  PEOPLE  BY GIVING CONSULTATION AND HOMEOPATHIC MEDICINES ABSOLUTELY FREE FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY. Whosoever will try to become PARMATMA he will become far and far from the Supreme Power.We cannot be PARMATMA but we can be GOODATMA  by way of serving  poor  and needy people.Try to see that Supreme Power in pure love.
Pooian Ram - All of us know that when there are tyrannies of evil persons on the innocent /religious persons The God himself  comes in the shape of AVATAR  TO SAVE THE religion/dharm.Why don’t you accept it? . Did Lord Ram not save from  DUST RAVAN , Did Krishna not  save from DUST KANS  and did Lord Krishna not save Draupadi from DUST  DURYODHAN ?
Gyan Singh - You are right  because all these stories we have heard in the books.  But these are  only stories and not the realities. All the HOLY BOOKS were written by the people among us to frame the guide lines for the proper conduct in the personal and public life as a CODE OF CONDUCT as it is for all the Govt.servants  in present time .The consequences shown in these stories  may be taken as the PENAL CODE  for the peoples contemporary to the writers of these books. Today in our society  there are many Dos AND DON’Ts   so there was the concept of  PAP and PUNYA WORKS made merely for the sake of creating fear. YOU SEE PAST ONLY BUT DO NOT SEE THE PRESENT. What is happening  in the present. Siya and Sunni quarrel each other. Hindu and Hindu quarrel  on the plea of UPPER CAST AND LOWER CAST. In Christians CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS quarrel on the rules of the Church. Some are quarrelling on the issue of MANDIR AND MASJID. Are they not quarrelling? For whom/ For whose sake? For the sake and for the cause of God.  But where is their GOD?WHY IS HE NOT  COMING TO SAVE THE IGNORANTS FROM THE  TYRRANTS? WHY Mr.SADDAMHUSSAIN  DICTATOROF  IRAQ WAS KILLED ONLY WHEN HE SLAUGHTERED MANY THOUSANDS PEOPLE? WHY Mr.  IDI AMIN DICTATOR  OF UGANDA , WHO WAS HABITUAL OF DRINKING HUMAN BLOOD IN HIS BREAKFAST,WAS KILLED ONLY AFTER MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OF UGANDA AND FOREIGH COUNTRIES WERE SLAUGHTERED BY HIM. These are few examples. The History is full of extremities of  hundreds of dictators. Is there any rule of the God that he will kill the MAN OF EVILS only when he will kill/slaughter ten thousand or one million  innocent people. This life is valuable while we are losing it in very useless and trifle matters. Why?In  this world the number of peoples died on  the issues of religion ,cast and creed were not killed in the droughts and wars .But who is going to take the lesson from  it.? Those to whom   we are killingtoday  ,will kill us tomorrow  .Has God ever said  that kill other or die for my sake ? If so  show me that book. Really THE GOD IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THESE QUARELLING AND WARS ALLEGED  BEING FOUGHT FOR  HIS SAKE.
Please listen my friend that why we are unable to understand that why we are killing  our brothers, sisters ,mothers etc.in the name of and for the sake of that God whom  we have not seen or whose existence  has not yet been accepted universally by one and all because He is only a power which cannot be found in temple ,church  ,mosque or girjaghar. Alas! Could it be possible to meet our hands with those whom we are killing or they may meet their hands with us and forget our baseless issues created by the politicians for the sake of their benefits.
Poojan Ram - My dear all those  who are meeting their death getting simply due to the  result of their KARM i.e. past life’s works.They must have done sins.
Gyan Singh -  I am really very sorry to know that how superstitious you are? We are living in the 21st century. We are going on theplanets .We are successfully launching Inter Continental Ballestic Missile (recently AGNI V ) and you  believe in past life KARMS. Forget that there is another human life anybody had gotten and will get. What we sow  so shall we reap  but in this same life and of this  same life. Today  when we  see disasters of the Nature we say that it is the result of the ILL  KARMS OF THE PAST LIFE OF all those who have died and suffered. Do you think it may be correct.  Anything which is beyond reasoning is termed as THE RESULT OF THE ILL KARMS OF THE PAST LIFE.
Please imagine my dear friend that if it is so what illkarms were done by those  innocent children who were  raped sexually by their own near relatives with whom they were living as  we often read in newspapers and see on T.V.?. All those  would have lost faith in THE GOD. In many such cases ,as we often see in the news, that the rapists kills such innocent due to fear of  the Police action. Those innocent  who are left alive live a life of hell. First of all the rapist is not caught ,if caught is left without punishment .Have you ever seen any of  so many gods coming and making the head of the rapist off his body  by His   SUDARSHAN CHAKR ? Yes the head is made off the body of the innocent by the rapist. Today  thousands of DEVILS ARE WANDERING FREELY IN  OUR SOCIETY HAVING THE MASK OF THE VIP BUT NO GOD COMES TO KILL THEM. IF ANY JUSTICE IS BEING DONE BY ANYBODY , IT IS SUPREME COURT .  I HAVE NO HESITATION IN  SAYING THAT IF THERE IS ANY TEMPLE OF GOD  CERTAINLY IT THE SUPREME COURT BECAUSE THER JUSTICE IS DONE IN REAL SENSE . The parents of such innocent   raped children are in the condition of being between life and  death. If there is God then  for what HE is waiting. This is  one of the innumerable instances we see often around us and even  then you say  that HE EXISTS.   THE REALITY IS THAT THE GOD  WILL BE FOUND HANGING IN THE SHAPE OF WALL CALENDARS, STATUES ,IN THE MUSEUMS AND SHOPS OF BUSINESSMEN AVAILABLE FOR SALE. He will be found  in the temples where many POOR  people can not  enter  see HIM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HAVING CAPACITY TO PAY  HIGH  ENTRANCE  FEES AND MANY OF THEM   ARE UNABLE TO  STAND IN LONG  QUES DUE TO HANDICAPPCY .
Smt Lila Seth the first CHIEF JUSTICE OF HIGH COURT  says as noted below -
Earlier I was of the view thatevery thing and every  step of my life was of the God’s will .But now I don’t think  that it is so.Although  everything  can not be explained by reason so sometimes I am astonished to see  happening of many things. I have a personal experience of an incidence of  my life which changed my views about God. The incidence is that MY BROTHER WAS HAVING TWO CHILDREN. BOTH DIED IN THEIR CHILDHOOD. MY BROTHER AND BHABHIJI BOTH WERE VERY SAD.I GAVE MY DAUGHTER TO  THEM . BOTH WERE VERY HAPPY BUT SOON SHE ALSO DIED. I WAS ALSO HALF DEAD  IN GRIEF WITH MY BROTHER AND BHABHIJI. I STILL THINK AS TO WHY HAPPENED SO ? IS THERE ANY GOD? IF SO  IS THERE HIS ANY  JUSTICE ?
My dear think for some time that what is the irony of life that A CHIEF JUSTICE OF HIGH COURT,  WHO GIVES JUSTICE TO THOSE WHO COME TO HER,IS ASKING THAT IS THERE ANY JUSTICE IN THE WORLD OF THE GOD? EVEN THEN YOU SAY THAT THERE IS GOD HAVING HUMAN BODY? WHETHER ALL THE PERSONS Smt. LILA SETH, HER DAUGHTER, HER BROTHER,HER BHABHI THEIR BOTH CHILDREN  ALL HAD ILL  KARMS IN THEIR PAST LIFE?
The spirit of the justice/court on the earth i.e. in all the countries  is that no innocent should get the punishment and no culprit should be left without punishment. Is this not applicable in the court of the GOD ?   In many countries we hear /see about sudden disaster WITHOUT ANY AAKASVAANI  to alert  the people to  have an opportunity to save them and their children. There is a volcano and earthquake belt where such disaster is normal thing .People live and pray in fear to save them but in spite of it thousands and somewhere hundreds of people are sent in the mouth of death. SOME INNOCENT VERY LITTLE CHILDREN ARE MADE ORPHAN. Many old parents are left without their only child.Somebody’s whole life property is destroyed  within few minutes. The potter who makes   the pots and toys does not break/destroy them then how and why THE GOD destroys the toys (human beings and the property ) made by Him ? If the sinners are given the punishment then were all of  them gathered in aparticular areas were sinners ? If so Can the GOD not forgive their sins  for their prayers? If no, then why  it is taught in schools that THE FORGIVENESS   IS THE BEST QUALITY OF A MAN .FORGIVENESS IS DIVINE .Is it not for the GOD? If there is justice in the court of GOD why  on 2nd may 2012   more than one hundred people drowned and killed and hundreds were missing in BRAHMPUTRA RIVER IN ASSAM IN A BOAT CRASH CASE . AMONG THEM WHO SURVIVED ONE CHILD LOST HIS PARENT AND WAS SEEING IN THE SKY/SOLITUDE . IN GANGA RIVERALSO  IT HAPPENS MANY TIMES   EVEN THEN WE SAY ‘’GANGA MAIYA’’  AND ‘’ MAA BRAHMPUTRA.’’ DOES ANY MOTHER KILLS HER OWN CHILDREN? All this is hypocracywhich  took birth due to fear. History witnesses that in MEDIVAL AGE  from the year 1344 to 1400  epidemic PLAGUE TOOK THE LIVES OF MORE THAN 25 MILLION PEOPLE (ABOUT 33% POPULATION OF WHOLE THE EUROPE CONTINENT ) AMONG THEM THERE WERE MANY PRIESTS ,NUNS ,ARCHBISHOPS ( WHO ARE CALLED THE REAL SERVANTS OF  THE CHORCH i.e. THE  HOME OF THE GOD ).All this was so horrible that THIS WAS CALLED THE BLACK DEATH .Now the question arises that WHETHER ALL THE 25 MILLION PEOPLE WERE SINNER ?
Do you know how  many persons all over the world have died only from cancer  and are  about to go in the mouth of death  ? These are millions .Are all these are sinner? I agree for a moment but I know some cancer patients who are children  and not above the age of 5 years. Are all these children sinner ?
Poojan Ram - You do not believe that The GOD is there in the temple ,mosque .church or gurudwara.but who will believe you ? Why  all these were there in the world since long?These are being made even in the present time also.  Why so?
Gyan Singh - It seems to be correct what you have  asked above but really it is not correct. Had there been The God in the church, temple, mosque or gurudwarahad  it ever  been possible to the foreign invadors to come  in India and go back safely AFTER LOOTING THE WEALTH OF THE TEMPLES AND THE THEREBY LIVING RESIDENTS, NOT ONLY ONCE BUT MANY TIMES AND BY MANY SUCH INVADORS .THEY NOT ONLY LOOTED  BUT DESTROYED THE STONE STATUES ALSO.  THEY CARRIED WITH THEM THE STATUES MADE OF GOLD AND WHICH WERE DECORATED WITH EMRALDS. I THINK YOU MUST HAVE READ HISTORY (IF NOT YOU MUST HAVE HEARD/SEEN IN FILMS ALL THESE THINGS WHICH I HAVE TOLD ABOVE. HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT ANY MIRACLE (KARISHMA) IN WHICH THE GOD WOULD HAVE COME TO SAVE THE WORSHIPPERS AND THE RESIDENTS FROM THE ATTACKS AND LOOT ? I THINK NOT AT ALL. BECAUSE NO MIRACLE EVER OCCURRED  AND THE LOOTING WAS ON REPEATEDLY . NOT OCCURRED BECAUSE SUCH MIRACLES OCCUR ONLY INRELIGIOUS  FILMS STORY OR IN THE BOOKS OF RELIGION AND “  INSATYANARAYAN JI KI KATHA.”  THE INVADORS COULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN LOOTING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE/WORSHIPPERS DID NOT DO ANY EFFORT TO PROTEST THEM WITH THE BELIEF THAT THEIR GOD WILL PROTECT THEM,BUT IT DID NOT HAPPEN EVEN THEN FAITH/ BELIEF IN GOD  WAS CONTINUE  IN THEIR HEARTS.
I may  give you some instances of such loots by invadors  as may be found in the books of history.
Even then we do not want to realise that the God is not in the temples ,churches ,It is within  our hearts .Had it not been so  WHY AND HOW THE INVADERS/ATTACKERS CAME AND LOOTTED AND  CARRIED OUR
GODS OF GOLD,SILVER AND EMERALDS. THINK THE GOD WHO COULD NOT SAVE HIMSELF HOW COULD HAVE HE SAVED THE WORSHIPPERS.?THAT IS WHY SWAMI DAYANAND STOPPED STATUE WORSHIP WHEN HE SAW  A RAT CLIMBED AND WAS DANCING  ON THE STATUE OF LORD SHIVA.
Poojan Ram - My friend. Really you have  an art of moulding the matter at your side .If there is really no God  then why so many people  and  ,saints are in the search of GOD ?
Gyan Singh Really many of us are in search of God. What are we searching ? We don’t know. Where are we searching ? We don’t know. Why are we searching ? We don’t know. To whom we are searching  .Does He really exist or not this also we don’t know. BUT ONE THING WE KNOW THAT WE ARE SEARCHING AND SEARCHING. All the searchers  are going on the path where  two persons were searching .One of  the searchers reached there and asked, ‘’what are you searching ? He replied,” Actually I don’t know. This gentleman was searching the coin of the lady so I also started assisting him on the humanity ground THEREFORE I AM ALSO SEARCHING. There was a lady also therefore she was asked as to what  was the matter? She told that she had a coin which fell down in the cottage. We people are searching that coin . She was asked AS TO WHY THE COIN WAS BEING SEARCHED  IN THE  PLACE OURSIDE THE COTTAGE? She replied ‘’BECAUSE THERE WAS DARKNESS IN THE COTTAGES SO WE COULD NOT SEARCH THERE THEREFORE WE ARE SEARCHING IN THE SUNLIGHT..SHE FURTHER TOLD THAT AS I WAS SEARCHING SO THESE TWO GENTLEMEN  ALSO  STARTED TO SEACH TO HELP ME BUT WE ARE ASTONISHED THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO FIND OUT THE COIN. She was told that when the coin fell down in the cottage in the dark how can it be found here outside the cottage? It must be there and be searched there with the help of a candle or light and not with the help of sunlight and the help of so many  people. One is enough for this work but with right means.
This story says that this is the case applied on all those who are searching Him day and night BUT THE SEARCHERS DO NOT KNOW WHERE TO SEARCH? WHOM SHOULD BE SEARCHED? WHY SHOULD BE SEARCHED? BY WHICH MEANS HE SHOULD BE SEARCHED ?
Some are searching Him IN TEMPLE ,SOME IN CHURCH,SOME IN MOSQUE AND SOME IN GURUDWARA AND SOME IN RELIGIOUS DISCOURSE. BUT HAS ANYBODY FOUND HIM SO FAR ? I THINK NOBODY HAS FOUND BECAUSE HE IS NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE IN FORM . ACTUALLY HE IS WITHIN US IN THE FORM OF  SUPER POWER WHICH  IS OMNOPRESENT,OMNIPOTENT AND OMNICIENT. WE HAVE  CREATED SO MANY LAYERS OF SUPERSTITIONS BETWEEN THAT POWER AND US THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO SEE THE REALITY.
Abraham Lincoln had said that BIBLE  is not my book and Christianity is not my RELIGION .The Christian religion contains  very long very difficult rules and therefore I cannot give my consent.My religion is HUMANITY i.e. SERVICE OF MANKIND.  .
Andrew Carnegi  a great Author is of the opinion that I do not  believe in God . My God is the patriotism . If you can make a man a  good citizen then you have solved the problems of his life .
Michal Shermer says that  why do we  believe that in this age of science    the necessity to  search the GOD.
Benzamin Franklin  had told that instead of  Church, temple, mosque or any place of worship THE LIGHT HOUS E SITUATED NEAR THE SEA ARE MORE HELPFUL.( because they help to show the light to the ships while the religion creates the darkness in the life).  SINCE THE AGE OF MY CHILDHOOD  THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHRISTIANITY WERE NOT FELT BY ME AS  LOGICAL SINCE THEN I STOPPED GOING CHURCH. ‘’
 A learned man had said that someone informed me that the God is standing in your  backside .I turned towards Him with the intention to ask as to why around the world made by Him  there is so frustration, sadness and why the  situations  are becoming  the worst from bad? But I saw there was no GOD.
Poojan Ram - My dear friend ,Really your ideas are considerable and I will think on it again and again. I will try my best to follow in my life your lines that REALLY WORK IS WORSHIP AND NOT THE WORSHIP AS WORK. WE MUST REMEMBER THE SUPREME POWER AND PRAY FOR THE WELFARE OF ALL THE PERSONS AND WE SHOULD HELP THE NEEDY PERSONS.THIS IS THE REAL RELIGION AND REAL WORSHIP OF THE  ALMIGHTY POWER. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR GOOD IDEAS WHICH HAVE OPENED MY EYES. REALLY YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN YOUR NAME CORRECTLY AS GYANSINGH.
Gyan Singh -  I also thank you very much for giving me your valuable time and for listening me with patience  during  discussion on this topic.Really I am not at all a learned person but I am always searcher of good ideas and I  accept  them from  any person any book or any discourse  which I think acceptable . GOOD BYE. I THINK WE SHOULD  DISCUSS IN FUTURE ALSO  AND THEN YOU WILL TELL ME AND I WILL LISTEN YOU.
Poojan Ram - OH NO YOU WILL GO AFTER HAVING A CUP OF TEA WITH ME.
 After taking tea Mr.Gyan Singh thanked .
K.G.KULSHRESTHA  AGRA. Dated at Agra the 4th May 2012

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